new indigenous

we need sum trash picked up in pine ridge.
the graveyard is desecrated.
they've been using it as a garbage dump.

how 'bout we go over there & organize a clean-up?

your response is typical of a straight ,white, most likely middle class, male. the tone you have been spoken to in is for a reason,but instead of maybe looking at that and ACTUALLY learning from it, as you keep insisting that you would like to, you just continue to pat yourself on the head and expect others to do the same. your "cause" is a self masturbatory one and at the risk of speaking for more than just myself, it's not welcome. you were given feedback, you chose to write it off because it wasn't what you were looking for. going into a native discussion group and proclaiming that you are "about to get deep into what it means to be indigenous," is probably not going to generate the warmest response! we don't all consider ourselves kids in sand boxes and i'm not neccesarily in this group to learn ( with obvious exceptions ie: from elders, etc) as much as to stay connected with my people. i'm sorry i just don't feel like i have a lot to learn from an appropriative white guy. and quite honestly, i highly doubt i'd want to make nice nice with you if i saw the "spaces you created this week for the people of roblito".

i do not care about jeff making see-saws or your bead workshops. it makes me ill.

can this tribe please be "nativeamerican(therealdeal)" now?

I want to offer you some critical thinking, Mr. Funbags. You know "we all" can use it.

This question has to be asked. You *sound like* a typical naive promoter of something like US AID/Red Cross/Peace Corps hype. Even tho you are an independent (Leftist?) I have to question your values and how you got down there (grant money?) and such things. Also, do you know the history of the area you are attempting to help influence? Have you thought about what your influence means for the long-term? Do you know why these people seek help from you? (Did you ever think that they have been systematically separated from the ways that they would rather have kept intact---i.e. their at least thousands-of-years of happy autonomy before US-style colonial/imperial interests came in and smashed everything they had going---?)

Really, your post and general orientation *comes off* as the usual bullshit to anyone who's been kicked around. And i don't blame those who have reacted as they did... That's why I used the term "McDonaldize" in my post on your 'tribe' (bringing up another way in which we domesticated persons are hoodwinked and don't think things through).


The thing, on the other hand, that i'll bring up to the knee-jerk reacters here (yeah, all o' y'all who are doing to another group as has been done to y'all, without much seeming awareness---unlike aboriginals *i'm* inspired by), is that they're basically being led astray in *another way*.

It's one thing to take a principled stand against people who directly and indirectly exploit and colonize (and re-colonize) indigenous cultures and make (empty) "profit" off of it (or build up "resources" for their "own" severely alienated "gain"), and another for individual, radicalized european descendants of tribes (we 'whiteys') who wish to get back in touch with our shared indigenous values (i.e. the values of *our own* ancestors).

That we refugees of other attacks (the radical autonomy of the colonized/tooled is not "appropriate", after all, in the mind-set of those seeking to dominate all) seek out your excellence ought to be welcomed--once you see that we are not liars. Now i know that *most* indigenous people already know this; and that *ndns online* are like any other frustrated human being--wanting to REACT REACT REACT. This comes with this territory. So i won't be influenced by such hypesters.

Come at me with your intelligence activated, and maybe i'll have an attitude adjustment; then again, does it matter? Why do you even allow non ndns on this site, if you (?) in fact hold such simplistic grudges?


My own excuse for seeking wisdom from aboriginals like yourselves is that I'm a euro mutt. And while i lean, certainly, towards Scot and Norwegian spirituality (the little i know of it), it is very hard to find depth there. For instance, Scotish pipe music is usually published in the form of military shit. On the other hand, i find N.American indigenous info comparitively "easy" to obtain. And, anyway, I'd rather escape the rigid dogma of the european tribal examples (as i've assumed and heard of!) and *move on*; and yes, into the idea of "new indigenous" ways. (For me, this means mixing the excellence of tradition with the intuition and leanings of the "new" (really ancient, forgotten truths likely suppressed by the writers of history--those who forced their will on others)).


Anyway, the reality of the shit is that the true "enemies" (really, formalized/deindividualized, intensely alienated persons who "know not what they do" in the heart of it) are those subordinated to statecraft/corporatecraft in all its forms (including covert warfare and colonizer values "introduced" as "development" and "social work"; values which I'm *not certain* "Mr.Funbags" is very critical of...despite my accepting him into my network...).


Maybe i'm not making much "sense" to the uninitiated on this stuff, but I'm saying there's a *difference* that ought to be made, and that for some reason, some of the mixed-bloods (?) and full-bloods (?) here are wanting to distract from such grey areas---where allies are made, and shared values strengthened and deepened. Why would that be? Could it be that there is more to the hype than meets the eye?

You may say (all you wanna) that "whites" ain't got nothing to gift, but you know that's a bullshit answer. There are all kinds of people in every race, and to reduce *anyone* to simplistic hype exposes a hidden agenda that ought to be aired out and moved through.

Then again, i get the feeling that those of you reacting see yourself as "soldiers" and thus don't even think things through (as your ancestors would traditionally promote!); you wait 'til one of the chain-of-command-type apple (?) ndns give you a command, and then you carry it out...that's the kind of bullshit that got John Graham and Arlo Lookingcloud into deep shit. You'd think you'd learn from such examples (that is, if you are for real at all!)

Anyway, I for one, have put my life on the line for my ideas and will continue to do so. If some hyped-up dumb-ass wants to attack me for such things, then all they will be doing is doing the work of the f.b.i. and feds, and keeping separated our formidable powers (of cooperation, etc.). People like me will continue to come into your lands/communities seeking sanity.

Now, thinking about what i've written....i'm starting to see the most HYPED as being crucial challengers; pricking and reflecting the intensities of their oppression---and seeing what claimers like "Mr.Funbags" --and i-- are really made of! Ah, in this light, i see wisdom happening...while at the same time bidding you to learn from the mistakes of Graham and Lookingcloud (apparently the fall guys of a bigger covert action).

See alot of "I...I...I...I...." in your posts ... all about you is it?
Tribal spaceship?....please get real..if youare doing this needed work...that's commendable; but please don't lead ignorant people astray for your own gratification.

peace
nanci